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So, like ... bitterlimetwist did this meme what feels like AGES ago and I was gonna do it for her even though she already knows all my Show secrets and then BAM real life and so, like ... I didn't? But then she reminded me and I want to and I have a few minutes, yay, so ... like ... here it is! *beams proudly for doing a meme for that is what my life right now has reduced me to*

Now, going on past entries, many of you know my burning hatred for the best/worst/favouritist evar!!!1!!!1!!!!? memes, and this meme is not that, but I have taken the liberty to tweak the original questions when I find them irrelevant/boring to me. Because. Uh. ? You're not the boss of me, Internet. (Sorry, everyone, it would appear that I am in a Mood. What is it about contrariness that is so damn appealing sometimes always?)



Hi. I'm themonkeytwin and I'm a SamnDean addict. (And not just because they look like that. I mean, checkoutthetextureonthatwalllookit! RAWR.)

(Yep. Definitely in a Mood. I bet this is why they make me come to these meetings. Anyone not in the mood for odd!snark, semi-incomprehensible and occasionally Wrong, turn back now. Fair warning.)


The first character I fell in love with that got me using:

So, uh, yeah, like, Dean? *Obviously.* In the pilot. (Also obviously.)
Hm, wait.
Actually, if I'm going to be honest here in group (and apparently that's important or something? Yeah? Oh.), I'll quote a comment where I replied to fleurlb about some other Show meme:

I can't remember when I started watching, exactly, but I think it must have been late into the writers' strike in S3. I know I caught the very end of Mystery Spot on tv. I remember watching it, not knowing who anyone was or what was going on; Sam was meeting "Bobby" at the Mystery Spot, and watching Jared's performance I knew that the other guy wasn't Bobby. So I was all, "yeah, stab the evil impersonator!" And then he did. And then there was some random Trickster talk and I lost interest and probably changed the channel, because I don't remember the hug or anything.
I guess that put it sufficiently on my radar to consider renting the dvds some time later when I had nothing else to watch, and the rest is etc.

So technically, Sam (and not!Bobby) was the one to get me into The Drug That Is Show.
(Okay. The first character I fell in love with was John. I'm sure we knew this. And that the heirarchy is as follows: Sam, hug; Dean, beer; John, FLIRT SHAMELESSLY. This was understood, I thought. The rest can come and go as they please, I don't care.)



The character I never expected to love as much as I do now thought was a tool but now totally want for my sponsor:

Henriksen, baby! Of course. I mean, he was this annoying, smug bastard when he first came on (AND smack-talking John! ONYD!), and I hated that SamnDean were being hunted by him. And then I kind of liked him when he caught them, and then he became awesome. And then Show killed him. Because that is every minor-character arc on Show. Lukewarm/split fanbase introduction –> become nuanced –> become awesome –> DIE.



The character everyone else loves that I don't keeps inviting to party who seriously harshes my buzz: 

CAS.
Dear Fandom: I don't get it. Signed, me.
Dear Fandom: No, seriously. I don't get it. Is it the woobie thing? Signed, me.
Dear Fandom: He was okay. I didn't hate him. But seriously. WHAT THE CRAP. Signed, you know, me.



The character I love that everyone else hates:

Wait. Pause. This is the second.... Is.... Am I in the right place? This is the Supernatural Anonymous meeting? And there are characters that everyone else loves/hates? Like, even, most? As in, most everyone is agreed?... Are you sure I'm in the right place?
Eh. Bela. (And Gert, too, why not? For getting there four seasons ahead of Becky.) Because I loved that finally there was someone who could put one over on SamnDean, who wasn't a damsel even when she needed saving, who was snarky and twisted and competent. She was a worthy antagonist and I wish we hadn't lost more of her development to the strike.
*Ack!*
Ow.
So much for not being judged. You people.



The character I used to like but don't any longer could never bring myself to give a crap about either way:

Pamela. If Lisa (+Ben) was Andrea (+Lucas) fleshed out, then Pamela was Haley. Only, less fleshed out, in four times the episodes. Psychic Abilities is not a character trait. Seriously, I don't remember learning literally anything about her, as a person, that could not apply to Haley. Smart-sassy-and-sexy rocker chick may seem like a winner to certain types (*cough*teenageboys*cough*Dean*cough*), but unless the point was (eventually) that she basically had an empty life and memorex!heaven was zomg better, she could have done with some actual traits or motivations. (For the record, Friend Of Bobby is to Motivation what Psychic Abilities is to Character Trait.) Not that I disliked her (that would have required some real substance to go with the style); I just wasn't invested in her at all. Like ... at all. I was even, wtf is your problem, honey, he told you not to look, this is on you, stop blaming others for the consequences of your choices.
... Oh. Huh. Maybe she did have a character trait, then. Yay?
... ETA: Huh, I just realised I listed her under the (looong) list of minor characters as my favourites. I dunno what to tell you. Maybe I was blinded by the sass. Or panicking about the Favouritistness. Look, I SAID, I didn't hate her. Just ... I thought I was more meh than apparently I was. I am now. Does that count? You know what, damn skippy it counts. This is my time, group!



The character I used to dislike but don't any longer had to apologise to for my behaviour, it's like a, you know, step. Or something:

Soulless!Sam. Man, it was bad. I'd be dubstepping the purple unicorn snickerdoodle and then I don't even know what they cut it with but I'd just go on these uncontrollable binge-rants all on his perky amoral ass. It's the things they never tell you about, you know? Where were the Peewee Herman PSAs? I mean, if I'd known, maybe I'd never've taken the first hit. (*hands*paynoattentiontowhatgotmewatchinginthefirstplace*hands*)
It's the Man's fault. The Mandroid's fault. With the laser eyes. And they say I'm paranoid, ha!
Look, okay? I don't hate soulless!Sam anymore. (Sit down, bitterlimetwist. How'm I supposed to do my talking-to-the-group thing if you keep bouncing and chuckling and I-told-you-so-ing like that?!?) It is what it is and it's what we got and I can deal. I'm a survivor, and now that the street quality is back on track, I can try to appreciate the experience. Everything once, and all that. (EXCEPT WINCEST.)



The character I'd want to be like kick back and stay totally dry and sober and everything, no, honest, with:

Oh, wait, I know who that's going to be. Walp, since I hate repeating myself, um. Um. I don't know, they're all kind of wretched company in a way, aren't they? I'd say Crowley, because, well, Mark Sheppard, but that's really a meta reason and I don't think Crowley himself would be all that much fun, as such. Although I do enjoy his general lack of bullshit. You know what? Death. On his day off. Or ... Andy. Or Ellen, or something. I bet she knows how to laugh. I don't know.
Ah ... screw it. Seriously. I am OFF this wagon.
(Seriously, though, I like exactly who I am. I mean exactly. Wouldn't even swap out the pudgy bit on the stomach. It's mine, damnit. Because I'm so awesome.)



The character I'd slap punch:

Lilith needs a damn good spanking, I know that much. But seriously? Those hunters that came after Sammy in Free to Be. But only if I could do it with brass knuckles. And Wolverine claws. AND WOLVERINE CLAWS.



My five favourite characters:

John, Dean, Sam, Baby, um. ? Adam? Why not. Keep it in the family.



My deep dark fandom secret:

I'm only here because I flunked out of Memers Anonymous.
No. What? Seriously? Oh. Um....
... I was kind of expecting Bobby to die from the moment they burned down his house but never warned him?
I never cared much about Wifey Karen?
I love it when Show holds up a mirror to fandom and it goes BESERK?
I don't care very much about anyone's hair (although am willing to admit the pretty)?
I've only watched Swan Song once, and found it a little weak?
It doesn't bother me when Dean does Dark things (even though it always frustrated me when Sam did)? (sub-dark secret) I was fine with Dean killing Amy?
Hiatuses, cliffhangers, et al don't worry me either? (sub-dark secret) I could live with them stopping at any time, and having no closure?
I don't know, pick one. I can think of more if you want. Do these even qualify? I'm trying to think of something shocking, but all I can come up with is *pudding!*



... I don't think this program is working for me.

Although, I feel better. Thanks. Let's do this again sometime.

Comments

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borgmama1of5
Dec. 18th, 2011 12:31 pm (UTC)
Oh don't hold back, tell us what you really feel :)
themonkeytwin
Dec. 18th, 2011 07:15 pm (UTC)
Heh, this is why I don't let my stream-of-consciousness out without supervision more often ;) Memes are dangerous! O.O
bitterlimetwist
Dec. 18th, 2011 05:02 pm (UTC)
*bounces*

I ... *stares at S4 promo pic*

I just ... *stares some more*

You know, that's one of my favourite picture of Padalecki, and somehow I never came across it in anything but icon form. So, erm, thanks for that. *wallows*

Also, if the powers that be would just dress these guys in t-shirts, I suspect most of fandom would still be on board with Show, because DAMN.

Oh, and just to get all the shallow out of the way - JDM with a beard is like ... guh.

Okay, dying, this is so awesome.

Lukewarm/split fanbase introduction –> become nuanced –> become awesome –> DIE.

Hahaha, yes.

Why so much Cas, Show? WHY? *cries* Make it stop.

Lol, I love that list of your favourite minor characters. SO MANY. And now I see what you mean wrt Rufus, although I didn't see it back then. You were right, okay? Don't let it go to your head.

One day, you're going to love soulless!Sam, and when that day comes, just remember, he's MINE. Hands off. *may possibly be high while writing this*

I never cared much about Wifey Karen?

Oh God, me neither. I thought that made a horrible person. Glad to know we're both horrible, then.

I don't care very much about anyone's hair (although am willing to admit the pretty)?

How dare you? Don't you know the quality of the show is directly correlated to the state of Sam's sideburns hair?

I've only watched Swan Song once, and found it a little weak?

Oh, it's ON.

It doesn't bother me when Dean does Dark things (even though it always frustrated me when Sam did)?

The first step is admitting you have a problem. *nods sagely*

This post! \o/ *passes out from gleeeeee*
themonkeytwin
Dec. 18th, 2011 07:53 pm (UTC)
*stares at S4 promo pic*

They are VERY pretty.

Although, and here's another deep dark fandom secret, sometimes I wish they weren't, so much. I mean, *confession*, most of the time I actually don't notice, unless it comes up (not that I mind THAT much when it does). They're just ... people with faces and bodies. I love their expressions, but I loved Garth's expressions, too, for example. And Becky's. And ... I'm trying to think of other characters who aren't conventionally "attractive" to me ... Zach. He had awesome expressions. Oh, and LARP!SamnDean, they were amazing.

So ... what was I saying? Oh, right. Maybe it's some irrational sense of them being objectified; because of their looks, their lives are perceived as something they're not. Maybe I feel like there wouldn't be so much oversexualising of them in fandom if they were just two regular-looking doods. Like our culture (and fandom takes it to one extreme, although there are others) automatically assumes some kind of ownership of anyone attractive on our screens. And, sure, you can argue that this is a non-verbalised contract that actors make with the public, like they're leasing their image to us (and our imaginations), but ... it's still kind of squicky to me. Appreciation is fine, but it just feels like a lot of people don't know (or care, which is worse) where that line is. BECKY. (And that's not saying everyone is like this, of course. Most aren't, I think. Unfortunately, the culture of fandom is shaped more by the visible extremes.)

And holy off-track rant, Batman! Oh no wait, I was trying to think of secrets. There you go, then. :p

Oh, and just to get all the shallow out of the way - JDM with a beard is like ... guh.

And here is where I get crazy-hypocritical, because YES. HOLY SMOKES. Oh, wait, I said appreciation was fine, didn't I? Oh, good. I second your GUH and raise you a HOTDAMN. *fans self* *puts him very carefully and respectfully back on the shelf*

You were right, okay? Don't let it go to your head.

Only if you do the same when I come around to soulless!Sam. :)

I thought that made a horrible person. Glad to know we're both horrible, then.

*high fives for horribleness*

WE SHALL START A SUPPORT GROUP. O wait.

How dare you? Don't you know the quality of the show is directly correlated to the state of Sam's sideburns hair?

THIS CALLS FOR SEERIUS INVESTIGATION. TO THE REWATCH MACHINE!

Oh, it's ON.

*brooding and pensive bitch shoulders*

The first step is admitting you have a problem.

Oh.... I have a suspicion this may become a Thing. :D

This post! \o/ *passes out from gleeeeee*

Glad it didn't disappoint!
bitterlimetwist
Dec. 19th, 2011 09:58 pm (UTC)
Well, ngl, it's hard for me not to notice their looks, because I don't find many actors this attractive. I think about this sometimes, as one does. :) Like, if other actors were playing these roles, would I be so in love with Show? No, probably not. However, I'm also not really interested in watching them in anything other than Show, so it isn't only about their looks either. And, in pretty much every way, Jensen Ackles is more the type I like, but because of my insane love for Sam, I only have hearts in my eyes for Padalecki.

So, I guess what I'm saying is - I love their expressions. Yep.

OTOH, sometimes I just want to go on about the pretty. *shrug* I'll own it.

Oh, and LARP!SamnDean, they were amazing

I'm pretty sure half the reason I watch Call me Fitz, is how much I enjoy the actor who plays LARP!Sam. That guy is really fun to watch.

I feel like there wouldn't be so much oversexualising of them in fandom if they were just two regular-looking doods

Lj Spn fandom is pretty much all about the sexytimes. Zzzzzz, boring. But, I don't think it makes that much of a difference that these guys are so good-looking. Slashers just slash. They slash everything. I don't understand it at all. Doesn't it get old? Like, every single book/show/movie is just fodder for slash? Why? *baffled* So even if Sam and Dean looked like Dawson and Pacey, I'm pretty sure they would still be hyper-sexualised (Although the fandom might be smaller. Maybe.).

I second your GUH and raise you a HOTDAMN. *fans self*

This totally reminds me - have you seen P.S. I Love You? It's one of those awful chick flicks, but it's so bad it actually winds up being very funny. It isn't a movie for watching so much as for ripping to shreds. It almost ruined JDM for me though, which is just all kinds of wrong.

themonkeytwin
Dec. 20th, 2011 09:46 pm (UTC)
Like, if other actors were playing these roles, would I be so in love with Show? No, probably not.

Right, I agree. Because they *are* SamnDean. I don't want anyone else playing them either. And you're right, slashers just slash. I guess it's just ... I don't know, Show comments on it better than I can, with Dean's reaction to LARP!SamnDean's romanticising the story, and with Becky's ... unfortunate ... attitude to Sam. I don't know. It angers me but I don't know that I have any right to *be* angry about it, you know? Maybe just being irrationally protective of them. Maybe it's an older sister thing? :)

However, I'm also not really interested in watching them in anything other than Show, so it isn't only about their looks either. And, in pretty much every way, Jensen Ackles is more the type I like

Ha, this reminds me of when I saw Ackles in Dark Angel, and I was like, Wowza! Nice one, sir! Mind you, this was about three years after I started watching Show. He's attractive – I find him very attractive in DA (even though his longer hair does nothing for me). But not as *Dean*. I see the attractiveness of him – of both of them – but it's like seeing the attractiveness of my own brother. I see it but I don't feel it, like my hormones are just switched off. Like from the moment I started watching, the Westermarck effect was just flipped on and never really stopped. Especially not for Dean, because he has not changed almost at all, appearance-wise; but even grownup!Sam, objectively hot as he is, usually just makes me want to wrap him in a blanket and give him hot milk and cookies. (John, on the other hand ... yeah, not so much.)

OTOH, sometimes I just want to go on about the pretty. *shrug* I'll own it.

AND I AM HERE FOR YOU. I AM HAPPY TO BE AN ENABLER. (And it helps to remind me that Show is just a show, all said and done. Blasphemy, I know! But it helps keep fandom in perspective.)

even if Sam and Dean looked like Dawson and Pacey

I don't know, grownup Dawson got cute. Mind you, I never watched the show. I could never figure out why I was supposed to care. About any of it.

have you seen P.S. I Love You?

*mimes up-chucking*

YES. Even worse, it almost ruined Gerard Butler for me, too! JDM was like a breath of fresh air when he turned up. By that time, I had completely checked out of the movie, and already had my filters up high to save Butler from never being sexy again, so JDM survived fine. He actually came across as the first – then only – sane person in the entire movie. Plus, when watching chick flicks (or "rom coms", as I know them), I'm generally wearing my "I see, you find this person attractive because you're script-bound to do so, for there is no other apparent reason for it. Carry on. I hope they're paying you enough for this" goggles. Helped enormously when watching Accidental Husband, which, by the way – don't. I found it honestly insulting, that I was supposed to do ALL the story work myself while they paraded one cliché after another across my screen. That wasn't his fault, though; he did what he could.
bitterlimetwist
Dec. 21st, 2011 06:20 pm (UTC)
Show comments on it better than I can

Does Sam and Dean discovering slash fall into this category? Because if so, that may be my favourite poke in the eye.

I see it but I don't feel it, like my hormones are just switched off.

This is exactly how I've felt about Ackles since S3, even though prior to that I was all - damn, that guy is smokin'. But even for all that I thought he was beautiful, I could never watch anything he was in because he was always in stuff I couldn't stand. Dark Angel, Dawson's Creek, Smallville; just, no, across the board. I'd pretty much just given up, and figured I'd never be able to watch him in anything. And then Show came along, and they cut his hair (my preference, go figure), and at long last, I could enjoy his face acting.

Dean, because he has not changed almost at all, appearance-wise

I think he's actually gotten better looking. Less pretty, more handsome. And yet.

AND I AM HERE FOR YOU. I AM HAPPY TO BE AN ENABLER.

\o/ Also, THEY ARE SO GORGEOUS HOMG. Sometimes it just comes over me, you know?

And it helps to remind me that Show is just a show, all said and done. Blasphemy, I know! But it helps keep fandom in perspective.

It's an odd balance, because I enjoy taking the show seriously, and I have fun breaking it down and everything, but sometimes I feel like I'm taking it too seriously (probably 'cause I am ;p), and the easiest way to remind myself not to, is to go on about their looks. Besides, being a fangirl is like letting loose my inner twelve year old.

I've never even heard of Accidental Husband. *watches trailer* *is speechless*
themonkeytwin
Dec. 24th, 2011 12:22 am (UTC)
Does Sam and Dean discovering slash fall into this category? Because if so, that may be my favourite poke in the eye.

OH HELL YES.

Dark Angel, Dawson's Creek, Smallville; just, no, across the board.

I watched the first season of DA on and off on tv (never watched the others – I can't stand pretty boys for the most part, and the guy who plays Clark is just ... no, just no) and I'm pretty sure I did see the one episode Ackles was in where he was psycho, and it was one of the best episodes of DA. I didn't care much about it, though. Like I said, I didn't see the second season until after totally falling in love with Show, and the second season spread its focus enough to include him (and off Alba enough) that it was bearable. He was really good in it, of course. (I kind of want to hunt up Days of Our Lives episodes with him in it, just for the LOLs, but I don't think I'm brave enough. That one clip in French Mistake ... Idek.)

I think he's actually gotten better looking. Less pretty, more handsome.

Agreed. He's one who's going to age really well, he's got great structure. But the *feel* of his appearance hasn't changed, the way Jared really filled out from his gangly whippet days.

I've never even heard of Accidental Husband. *watches trailer* *is speechless*

I am SO SORRY.
bitterlimetwist
Dec. 24th, 2011 01:38 am (UTC)
I REGRET NOTHING.

themonkeytwin
Dec. 27th, 2011 12:11 am (UTC)
also,
YOU? ARE AWESOME.
bitterlimetwist
Dec. 27th, 2011 05:27 pm (UTC)
Re: also,
;D Right back at ya.


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