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Meming for funtiemz!

So, seeing as how fandom has been a somewhat prickly and carefully-navigated exercise of late, I think I need some kind of light redeememing in my life. And y'all could probably use a break too.

So, calling all flisties! Any and all fandoms (that I have any reason to suspect you'll ask me about, although if you throw me a curveball I'll take my best stab at it) are game for fun and meta. Got multiple suggestions? Have at it! (And, hey, don't worry about limiting it to shippy pairings, either. Friendship is right up there in my books too.) Let's pull this fangirling thing up by its (trendy, trendy) bootstraps.

1. Pick a pairing or a character
2. Ask me my particular head!canon regarding something about them
3. Post to your journal to share your own head!canon!



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Jun. 22nd, 2012 06:29 am (UTC)
ok this is stupidly obvious...
But you went to all that trouble to make that cool icon and Much Ado is my favourite Shakespeare and I'm genuinely curious :D

So.... Beatrice and The Prince headcanon. Go.
Jun. 22nd, 2012 09:04 am (UTC)
Re: ok this is stupidly obvious...
Oh, Much Ado. It's hard to pick a "favourite" Shakespeare for me, actually, but Much Ado is up there. Granted, even with studing the plays in high school, I mostly enjoy the Bard on the base populist level – the sheer entertainment of the productions available (then dig around his incredible character stuff on a sort of ad hoc basis); so the movie played into this pairing for me. Emma Thompson and Denzel? *FLAIL* I doubt I would have responded to the mere text nearly so much.

My headcanon: Don Pedro is at the very least highly intrigued by Beatrice. In this small, close-knit, not-terribly-political group of nobles, he's the top of the pile by a long way, and it may be he noticed Beatrice's exceptional wit, vivacity and wariness before going off to war. (He certainly seems not to be shocked at her boldness although he tends to be pretty easy-going anyway, so maybe that's just his nature.) In any case, he didn't give it much thought before – she is so below his own status that marriage just is not a serious consideration, and there are a lot of other things demanding his attention. Now, the war is successfully executed, there's talk of love and wooing and domestic things – and Beatrice's attitudes (and fierce independence) stand out especially on these topics.

We don't know that much about the Prince, really, only inferring stuff from his behaviour: he's relaxed and chummy with his social inferiors; he's a proven general and leader of men; he seems to have taken to this new employment of matchmaking in lieu of anything better to do; he has a shrewd grasp of human nature (and we may assume tactics and strategy, too), yet he is willing (perhaps too willing) to give those who've wronged him a second chance (Don John); he's not above deceit to further his purposes; and yet he remains in a safe (and possibly somewhat lonely) position above the consquences of everything that is stirred up in the course of the plot. He is never vulnerable to the teapot tempest calamities of the lesser nobilities, and when Claudio gets dragged into the seeming Hero scandal, he tries to salvage the young man by drawing him back into the aegis of his own position of privilege.

So I think he notices Beatrice while all this is going on, and her vulnerability (orphan, dependent on the charity and goodwill of her uncle) – and her total defiance of it and all the social mores which are the only means she has to make herself less vulnerable – really catches his attention. Again, her wit, her poise, her finely-judged impertinence in navigating social conventions that she should be dominated by demonstrates a mind that matches and challenges his – similar in some ways, in intelligence and reasoning, in playfulness, in genuine concern for the wellbeing of those under her influence (shown through her relationship with Hero), and diametrically different in others. And – (unlike Benedict) her wit and independence as a woman also puts her in a position of distance and loneliness from her peers.

So, yeah. He sees all this, and (in my headcanon, anyway) is utterly struck by it. (She is never so silly to consider it a possibility, and so is completely taken by surprise at his proposal. She rallies well, though.) And here's the thing – in an entire bloody play of wooing and love based on deception and hedging (even Claudio's overture to Hero was through the safety net of the Prince doing it for him), Don Pedro just suddenly – offers. Straight up, impulsive (almost certainly, and definitely played that way in the movie), but as vulnerable as he ever gets to any personal consequences the entire time. And I think it was genuine. I don't think he was madly in love and heartbroken, but I don't think he's an intrinsically impulsive or thoughtless person, either, and I think it stemmed from discovering so rare a woman that he felt he could actually love, rather than just making a judicious political match. She would have brought him nothing on that score, but would have been a true, life-long companion and partner, and he seems the type to value that over other considerations.

Ha! There you go. And all that's even without the meta reasons why I've come to prefer the Prince over Benedict! Satisfactory answer? :)
Jun. 23rd, 2012 02:25 am (UTC)
Re: ok this is stupidly obvious...
Very satisfactory! :)

I never saw them like that, but I can certainly see where you're coming from and I like your thoughts! And you certainly give the Prince more credit than I ever have, which is nice for him and makes me like him more too.

I can't say I'm with you on all this though, because in reading this, in this forum, I have quite literally only now realised that a large part of my love for that play is that I've actually been full-on guzzling the Beatrice/Benedick shippy koolaid since I was like 15 years old.... there's no turning that ocean liner around now!! :D :D :D

And it's also confirmed what I've been suspecting about myself since I dived into shippy fandom land.... I am an extremely non-controversial shipper, in that I'll take the couple handed to me on a plate and either say 'hmm, no, not hungry thanks, but I still like your show, whatever.' or 'ok, I'm going to need like, second helpings of this. And maybe thirds. In fact [with apologies to Parks&Rec], just bring me all the bacon and eggs you have. And what I think you just heard me say was bring me a lot of bacon and eggs. I literally want you to bring me ALL the bacon and the eggs that you have.'

No alternaships for me! But I kinda like reading about other people's! :) .... as long as those don't include k/s, cos that one... I just can't. ;)
Re: ok this is stupidly obvious... - themonkeytwin - Jun. 23rd, 2012 01:27 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Jun. 22nd, 2012 10:26 am (UTC)
You know what I'm gonna ask... do I even have to say it?

(Okay then fine, I'll say it: C/N. Just because I adore your thoughts so much. Even if you're just casually hanging out in this fandom, I still adore your thoughts. Always.)

**grabby hands**
Jun. 22nd, 2012 10:43 am (UTC)
Hee! Yanno, I had a feeling about you. You probably DIDN'T have to say it. :)

Anything C/N in particular (it's a pretty broad field to frolic in), or just whatever headcanon I have lying around so far?
Jun. 22nd, 2012 10:47 am (UTC)
Probably not. ;)

I'm happy with whatever crumbs you throw my way, but if you need direction, why are they attracted/devoted/committed to the other? What makes it stick? What, for them, is so special about the other person?

Or feel free to answer any other question I haven't asked. ;)
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Jun. 23rd, 2012 05:28 am (UTC)
Hi! I keep meaning to read and comment on your post about Avengers, but I've not yet seen Thor or Captain America and keep debating whether or not I want to watch them first. Really, I should just go ahead and read your post because chance are that baby!brain won't remember spoilers anyway. :)

Hmmm.....so many characters, so little time. I'd like to know what your thoughts are on Hardison's backstory.
Jun. 23rd, 2012 02:32 pm (UTC)
Wait, so does that mean you've seen The Avengers, or you're waiting to see it until you've seen Cap and Thor? If it helps at all, when I wrote the Avengers post, I hadn't seen either myself, although Avengers clearly ends up spoilering Cap and Thor anyway. I'd really love to hear your thoughts, anyway! I do enjoy your story sense.

Hardison! Oh man. The funny thing being, I've actually been rewatching through the show – it's been something to do with my mum that she's been enjoying a lot. It's been fun. And she absolutely gets a kick out of Eliot and Hardison's relationship and banter, which I gotta say is stellar. So I'm definitely in the right headspace to think about Hardison.

You know, one of the things I love about Leverage is that they made the black kid from the (presumed) ghetto, raised in foster care, the MOST well-adjusted character relationally of all of them (and perhaps the best childhood as well). Not just in a relative sense of everyone else being really messed up – he is in many ways a secure, sensitive, generous person within the team. I mean, he has his flaws, and his rivalries, but he's not a manipulator, he's not broken, he's not driven by inner demons; he's healthily playful.

And you can put that squarely at Nana's door. She must be quite the woman; we know she set strict boundaries for the kids in her care, and she also demonstrated without a doubt that she was in their corner. They could trust her with their well-being, both in a stable internal environment and protection against the external. For kids in fostercare, that have all suffered some kind of trauma, and exist in an uncertain limbo, that is absolutely paramount. Hardison must have been with her for at least the majority of his time in care, because the show has given us no sign of the trauma of losing his family; that must have been fairly conclusively healed for him. And therefore nearly impossible to deduce without further information.

At a VERY vague guess, I'd say he was around four when put into care; my sense is his parents died, and that he was from a stable and loving, though not well-off, home. He ended up with Nana soon after that, and within the security and love of her home comes to terms with his loss. There are, of course, a gaggle of foster kids (his comfortableness within the family dynamic of the team showing that too) – an older one (or more) of whom at some point provides an introduction into basic hacking, which Hardison obviously has an aptitude for, and once that door is open, there's no going back. It's currency among his peers at school and his foster siblings; he's totally a nerd, but he's also a bit of a stud. And, well, growing up with a bunch of unrelated kids means that "Hardison" made sense as a name (which sounds much cooler and distinctive than "Alec", which only Nana calls him).

And that's kind of most of it, I think. There was the early upheval of losing his parents, and some flux in the foster kids he grew up with, but by and large his situation was stable, secure, and totally anchored by Nana. Hacking was his way of getting all the things he didn't have access to any other way; he didn't let Nana (NOT a technophile) know what he was doing because he knew she would never approve, but could justify his hacking activities partly by helping out his siblings, and mostly because it's fun, he's brilliant, has issues with authority (other than Nana) and loves a challenge, and the world is run by rich white old guys and that is absolutely a fair target. Robin Hooding with the Leverage team is not a huge step for him, although it would have taken him quite a lot longer to get there on his own, if he ever did.

... Yeah. That's what I think his path was. Thanks! I've never tried to articulate that before. Oh Hardison. He is so adorable. Does that line up with what you think, or do you have a different take?

Edited at 2012-06-23 02:34 pm (UTC)
Jul. 5th, 2012 11:52 am (UTC)
Sorry to have been vague - I meant that Ive seen The Avengers, but not Thor or Captain America, so was thinking I'd wait to read your post until I'd seen everything. Which now I realize is dumb because A.) Avengers itself was spoilery about the preceding films and B.) I'm likely not going to remember those spoilers anyway.

I used to be VERY spoiler averse, like to the point of not even wanting to read 1 or 2 sentence summaries of shows before I watched them. But post-baby, my brain is so riddled with holes that I've become extremely adept at forgetting what's not immediately relevant to me. :)

I love your take on Hardison - very thorough and very close to the mark. I think that the show has shown us that the presence of a very strong figure in the formative years has a huge role in shaping the adult. As the Jesuits say, "give me a child until he is 7 and I will give you the man." Nate and his father are kind of the flip side of Hardison and Nana. It seems like Eliot also had loving, strong parental figures and is less messed up. (Most of Eliot's 'problems' come from the things he did as an adult.) And Parker definitely shows what happens when you don't have loving consistency in early childhood.

The cipher, as I think about it, is Sophie. She's such a chameleon that it's hard to know how she grew up and I'm wondering if she wasn't born into grifters. (I know there was some background given in that one episode with the stuffy Lady or whatever she was being her aunt, I think, but I'm still thinking that was probably a hustle.)

So, yeah, nice job. Sorry it took so long for me to respond to your thoughtful and thorough assessment. :)
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Jun. 23rd, 2012 09:24 pm (UTC)
I'm asking two questions. Two!

What does ever after look like for Penelope and Bloom?
Garth's backstory. What's his deal?

Jun. 24th, 2012 09:25 am (UTC)
Penelope and Bloom
Two! *snuggles for you*

What does ever after look like for Penelope and Bloom?

... And, wow. I ... do not know. I mean, in the deepest sense, I disembarked from the story when Stephen did; I don't know if anyone was supposed to be the audience surrogate (I guess logically Bloom would be?), but Stephen was mine. So because he could have literally no concept of what awaited Bloom and Penelope without tainting it (the whole point of his actions to set Bloom free of his own storytelling), I just don't either.

So, let me think about this. This is the fun of this piece, actually, this place where story and life intersect. I mean, Bloom's wish for an unwritten life was a desire for self-determination – a self-written life. That's Stephen's point when he tells Penelope that there IS no such thing as an unwritten life – just a badly written one. The act of living *is* writing your life. And Stephen also recognises that between them, before they realised what they were doing, Stephen and Bloom invested all of Bloom's self-determination in Stephen, to the extent that Bloom lacked even the slightest screed of self-determination necessary to reclaim it from a willing Stephen. Once Stephen figures all this out (and you can see the progression of his story if you watch for it – "This may not be something that you know, but they've all been about you" is a FASCINATING flipside of the question of Bloom's self-determination), he knows it's up to him to fundamentally and irrevocably sever that.

And Stephen is the consumate storyteller; he told the story so well that he made it real. Again, this is all told through Bloom's filter on what is real and what is not real, because Stephen's (and Penelope's, although that's a different thing again) perception of it is very different. In any case, he succeeded. Without this, Bloom can only attain unwrittenness, pure limbo in Montenegro. Bloom is free; he is pushed out of the nest and must learn to fly or die. But Bloom is also intensely vulnerable; he is easy pickings for an avaricious storyteller (Diamond Dog), if the terror of freedom of determination doesn't actively drive Bloom back to him. Hence, the Manic Pixie Dream Girl role Stephen orchestrates for Penelope to fill; someone who is pure self-determination (she learned to tell her own story even within the iron constraints of her situation – she has the power to cheat, ie, change the story), and who inspires Bloom to the same.

You could read it in a very, very cynical way and say Penelope just stepped into Stephen's role in Bloom's life, but while I think she may have took his place in a sense, her role was very different. So ... I think Stephen wrote Bloom to where Bloom could learn to write himself, and (due to BOTH Stephen and Bloom's efforts) I think Bloom eventually attained that perfectly. In the end, everyone got what they wanted – I think Bloom learned to live the best written life, took on all the skills of storytelling he observed in Stephen and skills of freedom from Penelope and turned it into a life story for the ages.

... Which is all down to individual perception of what the story IS. So that brings us right back to ... I don't know what that looks like. (And I feel like I could have said all that in maybe three sentences. :/)

What do you think? I'm curious now!
Jun. 24th, 2012 09:43 pm (UTC)
Re: Penelope and Bloom
You give me four paragraphs, but no answer. ;D Since I love the way you tell the story, I win anyway, but still.

Hm, I guess I just figured their life together would be kind of like what we'd seen? Like, Penelope had been trapped in her house so long, she'd want to see the world and have adventures. But since she's rich they wouldn't have to scam people, so Bloom would come up with things they could do to satisfy her thrill-seeking (because he's the expert, after all), but would be harmless. Basically, I picture them sitting together, all lovey-dovey and adorable (because they're so adorable!), as they plot their next adventure, whatever that may be.

I'm very imaginative. *eyeroll*
Jun. 25th, 2012 05:37 am (UTC)
Re: Penelope and Bloom
You give me four paragraphs, but no answer.

You were expecting something else? You're adorable. ;)

And anyway, honestly, what I gave you IS my headcanon. It's just not terribly detailed. Do they end up in Africa and go big game hunting? I mean, probably. Do they circumnavigate the globe and visit every continent? Sure, why not. Do they find Bang Bang again? I hope so, but in some ways I doubt it. I don't really get Bloom or Penelope; I mean, sure, I get them in the abstract, but I don't identify with them and so I don't really feel what appeals to them and why. I mean, this –

Basically, I picture them sitting together, all lovey-dovey and adorable (because they're so adorable!), as they plot their next adventure, whatever that may be.

Yep. That's them. And then once they've reclaimed their childhood together (which is necessary), I'm hoping they are able to move on to the next phase and work out what it means to be adults. Getting stuck in child's play forever is not my version of a happy ending or a well-written life – but that doesn't mean anything, because that's my read on story and characters and what it means to live well.

I'm very imaginative. *eyeroll*

*comes and sits next to you in the playground*
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Jun. 24th, 2012 09:27 am (UTC)
And Garth! The weird thing is, borgmama1of5 just posted a Garth backstory of how he got into the life. So I'm having to kind of erase that from my head in order to find out what my own headcanon is. (I'm discovering, doing this meme, that I actually don't have all that much spontaneous headcanon at all. It mostly comes out of discussion of the canon or little moments in canon that stand out and actually engage my thinks. Really, my headcanon for Show is about 70% expressed in my commentfics, and you know how little there is of that!)

Garth ... you know, my (impish) little thought is that he started out just your stereotypical Mom's Basement Nerd. He may even have had a rank and uniform in his local Starship. He came from the same basic social stratum as Ed and Harry – only not douchey. He is the writers' replacement self-insert; he was a Buffy-watching, Truth-Is-Out-There nerd. Which explains his simmering glee and lack-of-angst in the hunt; it's not about trauma for him, he's living the dream. Somewhere in his trawling through the underbelly of the internet, he stumbled across something that led him to a real hunt – or maybe he encountered something and went to the intertubes to figure it out (maybe even online contact with Ash, which ultimately led him to Bobby). His leanings toward cloudcuckoolanderness made his transition to the supernatural pretty seamless and untraumatic.

In fact, he's the kind of Ed and Harry (and Becky) who asks himself WWBD? – and then DOES. IT. He is AWESOME. (Over a period of time, he also stopped watching Buffy so much. Not that he doesn't enjoy the perky asskicking cheerleader thing, but the more he learned the less he could switch his brain off about all the show got wrong. In the end, he grew out of his fanboy status (for the most part; the Winchesters are legit objects of admiration) and simply became a hunter. A nerd hunter, but a hunter nonetheless.)

And his mom (and his mom's basement) is still there; it's where he stays when he's not out on hunts. (He turned the basement into his command center.) Solid mid-America, I think. Maybe a deadbeat dad in the mix there too; Garth grew up caring about justice and helping those who don't have anyone else who can. He has an older half-sister who is cool and they get on okay when they see each other, but she moved out of home a long time ago.

So ... yeah, that's Garth, I think. *pinches his little cheeks*

(Sorry for the tv tropes shorthand. It's just so much easier!)
Jun. 24th, 2012 09:47 pm (UTC)
Re: Garth
He may even have had a rank and uniform in his local Starship.


And his mom (and his mom's basement) is still there; it's where he stays when he's not out on hunts. (He turned the basement into his command center.)

Lol, for all his loserhood, he struck me as more grown-up than Ed and Harry. I figured he was living in some crappy apartment, working a job involving stacking (because I like cliches, okay?) and somehow he came across the supernatural and decided this is cool, and because he's not the brightest bulb it just never occurred to him he couldn't be a badass hunter, so he went for it.

Garth. \o/ I feel like watching his episodes now.
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